Feb 10 2007
Go to hell Youtube.
I may sound drmchsr0 in this post but I’m freaking pissed. You tube suspended my account and send me the following email:
This is to notify you that we have removed or disabled access to the following material as a result of a third-party notification by TV TOKYO Corporation claiming that this material is infringing:
Otaku Idol Haruhi Dance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4eukyBVPks
Okay so a video of me dancing Hare Hare Yuukai is ILLEGAL (because I guess the song?) yet every other 200 people dancing is okay and people posting full anime episodes is okay. Fuck you TV Tokyo, Fuck you Youtube and most of all, why don’t you pull out that 50 foot pole out of your ass Japan and stop giving a crap about us OUTSIDE JAPAN trying to ENJOY YOUR SHOWS.
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Dude, respect copyrights, I know its hard to resist. Granted, that seems like a very minor thing to get banned for, my condolences
So me dancing on stage is copyright infringement? right.
Wow, I thought they give out warnings before doing suspensions? At least that’s what I heard from some people who do full anime uploads. Lame, did you have many other videos uploaded to the account too?
Welcome to Google management of YouTube.
Because they are fighting a loosing battle they are now seem to be using scripts and yes, its heavy handed because they seem to care more about kissing corporation asses that of their users … After all the message is “Video removed due to a copyright *CLAIM* by TV TOKYO Corporation”.
Did I really need to point out the flaw in that statement?
They probably just looked at the title rather than watching the video itself. Maybe if you write to Google about it they’ll understand they made a mistake.
I’m actually waiting for the day when the TV stations write to us and say we can’t post screencaps on our blogs…
I am waiting for the day the act of breathing becames copyrighted.
lol beathing.
Wrex I really would but what they did is so fucking retarded…that I’m just gonna boycott youtube and use some other video uploading service (if I ever decide to again anyway.)
It’s curious, fan created forms of viral marketing have been all the rage with companies for a few years now.
Just look at shows like Lost or Firefly; and Peter Jacksons WETA co-operated heavily with fansites to premote Lord of the Rings.
Doujinshi too have been winked at for quite awhile due to the fact that they premote the original product.
Somebody at TV Tokyo really isn’t using their noggin, when they clamp down on innocuous fan based premotions like your dance sequence. If you were charging money for it maybe, but it’s stupid to go after harmless fans.
well Hinano , all i can say is : welcome to the club .
@drakon : the act of breathing already is copyrighted . you pay royalty fees on the tax .
or was is eating that was copyrighted ? don’t remember .
Yea well if like a full length movie was posted on youtube and companies go apeshit ..Ok I could understand that.
However stuff like my dance sequence and Japanese TV programs which typically arent AVAILABLE on DVDs (like Smap x SMAP etc)…I don’t see what has Japan all riled up. It’s as if we’re seeing Japan “naked” or something and they don’t want us foreigners to see them in “that light”. I don’t know. I don’t know what crawled up TVTokyo’s hairy ass.
Ugh, yes. I got banned for the same thing yesterday. I posted a rant about how fanworks shouldn’t be treated the same as posting episodes. It’s just annoying. The fandub community, for example. They rely on Youtube to get their stuff out to the public. It’s honestly annoying, this banning business.
Bitch plz.
Deal with it. If you feel “why me, when other people aren’t affected” then go around flagging/reporting content on youtube and get back at all the lucky bastards who otherwise get off. Also, if you feel you’ve been wronged, and actually have been, and your content is perfectly fine and legal, follow the steps youtube gave you to get it unbanned.
Otherwise stop bitching. It’s unsightly. :\
Moar flame plz. Want dorama.
But on a serious note, there’s nothing you can do about because they don’t really check the content. They’ll just go on a banzor spree to please the bigshots and you just happened to get caught in the fire.
Tsubaki> that’s what JP said. “Probably they just saw IDOL and HARUHI in the title and deleted it” ^^;
YouTube is a free site and even if they make fuck tons of money off it, it’s their prerogative to remove content that might get them sued.
They probably shouldn’t suspend an account, though. Just removing the video in question is enough.
Hostile> Thats what I’m mad about. THe fact that they banned me period rather than just removing the “video in question”.
Wow… I always thought that the Japanese enjoyed all the free attention and promotion of their products from the non Japanese fans… I guess I was wrong :/
It must be cos you’re a girl. The geeks at youtube are single and want you to write to them.
Articles like this is good. We all should join the ongoing debate on this matter that many other people are in the middle of today.
It’s not so much “respect copyright” but how to deal with people’s feeling when they are disrespected. TV Tokyo does not feel frustrated and angry when you ban its youtube account. Some ex-fansubbers OTOH do. It’s not just about the perceived gain fans provide through using viral marketing and posting videos randomly, and it is about a ton of other things that should or should not matter in the grand scale of things.
well youtube isn’t that great anyway.
even the bandai english haruhi site people are using sites like revver and other video uploaders
kev> good point
omo> I convinced JP to write an intelligent article
tj> thanks. I needed that.
I guess you wouldn’t get the benefits of the social aspects of Youtube, but maybe you could try just uploading the videos to your blog directly. That’s what I’m doing now on my personal blog. You can control the bitrate and end up making the video look way sweeter anyway.
I haven’t read JP’s entry yet so I dunno what he said, but IIRC you were probably violating copyright anyway. Again, IIRC, the video had you dancing, but playing in the background was Hare Hare Yuukai straight from the TV show’s soundtrack.
TV Tokyo may or may not have the rights to the song (I don’t know that much about amine production), but I’m sure _someone_ does, who may or may not want to allow it to be used as background music, totally unaltered, in a video.
“However stuff like my dance sequence and Japanese TV programs which typically arent AVAILABLE on DVDs (like Smap x SMAP etc)…I don’t see what has Japan all riled up. It’s as if we’re seeing Japan “naked” or something and they don’t want us foreigners to see them in “that light”.”
Well hey, Japan can use YouTube too, along with us over here in America. So it does have the potential to affect their business in Japan.
Gasp, I have videos of myself dancing around crazily to the Haruhi ED on YouTube, too. I can’t wait for my cease-and-desist letter.
My condolences go out to you.
ya youtube sux, they removed my bleach amvs thinking i stole someone else’s work which is total bs.
Copyright was once intended merely to restrict competition (yay for government-inflicted monopolies). It’s now being used as a bludgeon by corporate conglomerates to keep individual citizens from having a say in their own culture. It’s fine for you to enjoy the programmes and media they put forth, but when you like it too much and want to create your own reponse, you’re suddenly a criminal. Welcome to the disneyification of the world courtesy of the Berne Convention. I hope you enjoy your stay… oh and be sure to reward them by feeding them money by purchasing further media goods. Thank you! *end sarcasm*
“Bitch plz.
Otherwise stop bitching. It’s unsightly. :\ ”
Said one of the biggest bitch and whiner in the intraweb of anime bloggers. Pot calling kettle black is more unsightly.
*pats*
Now, this is just a little too ridiculous. So, you cannot even post a video of you dancing to any song, since most songs are copyrighted.
duh. Darn rubbish.
impz> yea pretty soon there will be NO anime left on youtube cause technically ALL of it’s copyrighted….and then no one will be uploading dances of themselves doing hare hare yukai since the song’s copyrighted…what a vicious cycle!
Ranger> Thank you.
I didn’t wanna say anything but that’s about the same response that came into my head.
Well it’s a good thing I saw it live.
If I try to look at this from a business standpoint, I’d ban the user who has a well-read and popular blog instead of the anonymous dude dancing in the countryside to Hare Hare Yukai.
Wow. So the whole deal with YouTube deleting “copyright infringing material” without question seems to have circulated throughout the anime blogosphere. I was one of those who saw the fire burn.
As Ohkramon pointed out:
He makes a good point, if you think about it.
Wow, that sucks.
Why don’t they delete accs that post episodes?
Some things about copyright:
Yes, even a dance can be copyrighted.
And in Australia you can be sued if you just sing a copyrighted song. So, singing “Happy birthday dear Hinano…” is already a crime and costs you a lot of money.
And don’t try to karaoke either, cuz that’s illegal too
What a perverse world…
@hung:
If you post copyrighted material on your website, than YOU are held responsible because it’s on YOUR page.
If you post it on youtube, they can be held responsible because they give you the means to post copyrighted material.
There has been a lot of discussion about that matter recently because a very big forum was sued because somebody posted something illegal.
The courts said the website owners are responsible not the one who made the post with the illegal content. So it becomes risky to run a forum nowadays.
We all knew this was going to happen sooner or later.
Some idiot will think they should be able to claim rights on something they don’t. Further more they don’t realize what they blocked was by a fan promoting their product. This leads to frustration of other fans as they cannot promote what they like on the internet and reduces the explosure to the product.
All in all, it’s the same thing that happened to verison’s youtube. if THEY select the content, and choose for you what to see, youtube has no meaning and therefore it defeats the purpose of having such things. It’s really sad. Bandai wasn’t doiong so bad either, but saying they don’t mind fansubs as long as you buy the product itself.
Now i can’t fap to watch hinano… how sad… XD
oh shi- sry for double posting but i meant to do that crossout thing you know that - thing on “fap to”…
well if someone didnt get it was a joke, it was a joke.
i sound retarded. dont i? -_-;
LOL sorry I’m too busy laughing
@Kurisu
In Germany it is common practice to sue people for little crudities like a wrong impressum and only because they can claim money for the reminder, kind of stupid, but that is Germany. You do not know the copyright laws in other countries, I do not either, so you should not generalize.
How can you be sued if you sing a copyrighted song? Or you will be arrested in Australia if you sing Jingle Bells?
Well, Youtube depends on the User base, if you just do not post there anymore and others would follow your lead, Youtube would dry out.
lol, i guess you can blame on ‘cicarelli youtube case’. since it, i saw lots of stuff being removed from youtube.
well, never liked it anyway. makes my connection for gaming something crappy and all =(
it IS weird anyway. there’s ‘piracy’ only because 95% of what’s out there in the internet is plain TRASH, so if you dont know if something is good enough, you take a peek online before buying. instead of being concerned about licenses, they should start making decent stuff.
(its not rly about haruhi, its about what’s legal or not)
its a step back, just like korockid mentioned. and well ehauehaue now i’m curious about that video hinano :3
obs: IMHO to blog is to complain about something from time to time. to post something on your own blog that bothers you is not bitching. while posting some obvious reply(a.k.a. flaming) somewhere makes one looks bitchy.
berz> it was just a stupid video of me performing “hare hare yukai” at otakon 2006
I figured they coulda banned me because I used the official song as the background music becuase my singing was awful. But I’m not the ONLY person who did that which is why Ifind it ironic I get banned for it (rather than one of my AMVs or something)
That’s so unfair.. I just saw the full length Honey and Clover movie on youtube.. It has been posted for days now! How come it hasn’t been pulled out?!
you hoping that it gets pulled out too?
well, if i’m not wrong, a few series, are fully hosted over there @_@
yet, they’ve been taking out some real weird ‘copyrighted’ videos =_=U
well, that’s google for ya, its almost like asking it to do a translation for you.
Err … Ronin, Haruhi recently been licensed so that does not hold water.
Also this is broadcasted anime, not “strait to DVD” anime so the whole “they need to sell” argument is flawed since it DVD sales and licenses should not be used to make the broadcated anime series financial sound, they are being paid by advertisement revenues.
One thing is uploading “Mononoke Hime”, another is uploading “Code Geass”.
This is a slippery slop we are standing on, my flag shows I am in europe so if the fact I watched a US licensed series means nothing since in theory I am not part of their consumer base to start with.
@Popo
Sadly that’s a fact. You can read it for yourself: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/81267 (sry, German)
A few months ago two girls were sued for singing a copyrighted song and posting it on Google Video. Don’t remember if they were from Germany though.
Well, the German government even wanted to send all Counterstrike players to prison because there is a chance they could go berserk in the future…
Is there anyway we can see this offending video? What would be interesting is posting it again with some title of “My Cat video number 654487″ and see if it goes missing?
@Drakron You have advanced English skills, you could buy the DVDs Online anyway, so we all are a part of their possible consumer base and some animes are even licensed in Europe, but well we are not under the american jurisdiction, so they can probably do nothing against it.
@Kurisu They plan to do so, but it is not ratified law. I do not think they are going to ratify such a law, if you could get sued for singing Jingle Bells or Happy Birthday to you, that would be really insane.
The German government did not want to send CS-Players into prison, that would be against the law, some stupid polticians and parts of the media wanted to criminalise adult rated Video Games.
Did TV Tokyo buy the rights for this song, or were they included in the rights of the series.
I do not really understand why they remove such videos, it is free advertisement for a series, movie or whatever.
Hey, I just got 2 of my videos deleted, and I must admit it -was- infringing the copyright crap (because it was a CM). But on my description I was encouraging people to buy the actual singles and albums..
anyhoo, on ur case thats a totally unfair judgement by them., u shud go and email them tell them that it’s a fanwork and ur not even usingnit for any commercial use and all that crap.. >_
Dunksor> it was exactly what I said it was. Me cosplaying Haruhi at Otakon and dancing on stage. If it was offensive I think Otakon woulda kicked me out
Popo:
Europe is on DVD region 2, USA is on region 1.
Sure I can buy a DVD player with region 1 and perhaps the DVD is region 0 or 9 but we are not supposed to do that, we are supposed to buy region locked players and region 2 DVDs, Sony behavior towards PSP and PS2 imports is the corporation behavior.
My point is acording to the idiotic regionalism ideas I am supposed to sit and wait until it gets licensed in europe, the Internet is slowly breaking away regionalism but we are a long way from corporations to stop regional protectionism.
@Dunks0r
Yeah, I found the video again: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4662694154560792485
Apparently, the RIAA had found a new source of revenue
haha thats lame! so they can sing aretha franklin songs but i cant dance to hare hare yukai!
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Screw youtube.
use stage6 divx instead
http://stage6.divx.com/
the quality is actually quite good there. I mainly use it to watch ueto aya HQ jdoramas.
i cant imagine in the next cosplay event that takes place at any location on earth will not have anime related stuffs in it…imagine: no cosplays of anime and no anime songs to be played and any other crap you can think off…this is big news..all otakus learning the Hare Hare Yukai dance will REVOLT against YOUTUBE and make a MeTube. .and i agree to someone’s idea of posting your dance here…(and expect to see a mail by tv tokyo in ur email soon.)
Thanks for the link Endz! Maybe I’ll sign up then
Tiny> that would be awesome but after the viacom thing I think youtube in general is going down as well.
This is a case of double standards.
Well, as long as there’s money to be made, I guess anyone would stoop to such lows.
Then again, I think it’d be a lot easier to just stand up and overthrow the Berne Convention than just sitting in front of our computers and bitching.
Yes, the divx site has far superior quality to YouTube. I’m also seeing videos on 2channel posted to a video site in Japan:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/ut3JKTLMO7tqM
Let us know if and when you post it again, lol. The internet will find a way around every blockage, and copyright will be protected by the fact that we have to keep moving.
Doesn’t it seem likely that you just got taken down by a clumsy script, and your kind of video was not what TBS was really after. Wouldn’t they be more after the kinds of things I can see on that Japanese site, for instance: direct distribution (and graffitification, if that’s a word) of their copyrighted material?
My only assumption is that the actual SONG in the background is copyrighted, but then again that goes for the other 200 videos doing the exact same thing. Ah well the DIVX site quality videos ARE much better and I’ll probably be going there as well as crunchyroll.com
Google / YouTube have begun to give away personal user information.
If a lawyer knocks on your door next week, Hinano, you know you’ve got a problem
http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/3659401
Oh really? Well I appreciate the clarifications. ^^
Kurisu> They deleted my account first of all, 2nd of all I didn’t upload any American shows, and 3rd of all I never provide my real name and address anyway
Private registrations don’t hinder Google from knowing who you are
You should follow Hung’s example and provide your full name everywhere
jk
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Lol, I like in the UK and only a while ago on the news program “Newsnight” they were showing some guy and his friends acting out scenes from famous American movies such as “The Godfather”. Honestly, the media has gone to pot and needs to get their communciations sorted out (they asked some Hello Kitty-hating male to advertise more of their products on his anti-Hello Kitty blog *rolls eyes*).
Just go to another site, Youtube is having a rough time at the moment. =_=’ Sorry about what happened all the same.
hey my video just get removed fuck TV TOKYO Corporation.